Dr Pamela Prince Pyle

Suicide, Feeling God’s Presence, and Widowers Sharing

Topics Discussed in March’s Zoom Call

These topics came up on my monthly Zoom call where I was visiting with two of my friends, Dr. Dan and Al.

Dr. Dan was an ER physician for several decades and served in Vietnam. Retirement was around the corner and he and his wife looked forward to traveling. However, a tragic accident left him paralyzed from the waist down. He shares his thoughts about suicide, and life as a paraplegic.

Al is a pharmacist. We have been on mission trips to Rwanda many times. Al has spent his retirement serving people all over the world. His prayer after the loss of his wife will change you. 

These two gentlemen shared their testimonies about losing their wives and life as a widower. The trajectory of the conversation was unplanned; however, God was in the conversation. After listening, please tell me in the comments your thoughts on the following questions:

  • How do you feel about suicide or physician assisted suicide as a method to end suffering?
  • Do you have scriptural references for or against suicide, physician assisted suicide?
  • If you are a widow or widower, what advice could you share for others?
  • Do you always feel the presence of God, sometimes, or never?
  • What advice for learning how to feel the presence of God?
  • How do we keep moving forward in life when we yearn to be home with our loved ones, and our Creator?

I certainly don’t have all the answers, but I was moved by the conversation and the powerful way God works in all of us to edify and encourage one another. 

If you are struggling with feeling God’s presence in your own life, listen to Dan and Al’s stories and may you also find encouragement or a way to encourage Dan or someone else.  

These monthly Zoom calls are available to anyone on my subscriber list. You can subscribe at https://drpamela.com/sign-up-for-pamelas-newsletter. We will use this monthly time to pray together, share our stories, and encourage one another as we walk through difficult times in life. I can’t wait to see you all again next month! 

2 Responses

  1. The question of suicide is a very complex issue. Biblically speaking there is no reference that I am aware of that forbids it. Dan is right that the commandment that says “Thou shalt not kill”, would be better interpreted, “Thou shalt not murder.” But can you murder yourself? As a Pastor I have been asked several times over the years about someone’s loved one who committed suicide and whether they went to Hell. My answer has always been, “If they were a born again believer then they went to Heaven.” I have always tried to encourage anyone considering suicide to see that life is worth living and God has a purpose for them or they wouldn’t be here.
    I am a little concerned with the idea of making an agreement with God that seven bad days in a row means it is time to commit suicide. That doesn’t sound like anything God would have a part of. That is either from Dan himself or from the Devil and God is intervening with good days to prevent Dan from committing suicide. I pray Dan opens his eyes to this.
    God seems to be working in Dan’s life and God used Dan to write the book that led two people to the Lord. However, there is something missing in Dan’s walk with the Lord. There isn’t the Joy of the Lord. If there was the Joy of the Lord in his life then he would feel the presence of God in him and walking beside him.
    Years ago, a friend of mine came to me and told me he had been saved the night before. This seemed odd because he had supposedly been saved many years before and had been a member of a church and a faithful attendee of that church. He told me that during the service the night before he had heard the preacher say, “You have a head knowledge but not a heart knowledge.” He went forward and prayed and actually got saved that night. Afterward when he told the preacher about what he had heard the preacher told him he had not said that. So it was the Holy Spirit speaking to him.
    There is a difference between a head knowledge and a heart knowledge. You can know Jesus is Lord in your head but until you surrender your will to him you will never have him in your heart. When he is in your heart you will feel the Holy Spirit enveloping you within and without and there will be no doubt that you are saved.

  2. Thank you so much Bill for your Pastoral wisdom and care. Praying for Dan to experience the “feeling” he is missing. These are my theologic points in an email.

    Dr. Dan, I think these are two convincing arguments from scripture sent with love:)

    You may not consider your body a temple but God does because He placed his Spirit in it.

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20
    “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”

    Second, here is an account of a suicide in scripture.

    1 Samuel 31 follows after Saul goes and visits the witch at Endor and engages in a seance to talk to Samuel, who at this point had died. We know that Samuel talked with Saul, telling him that he and his sons would die the following day and “be with him” (they would die, just as he, Samuel, was already dead). Sure enough, 1 Samuel 31 follows the seance event in which Saul is told of he and his sons’ demise, and this chapter shows the battle between the Philistines and the Israelites. Saul went to the seance to find out what to do about the Philistines, who were soon to go to battle against Saul and the Israelite army. Saul had consulted God at first, but, as 1 Samuel 16 says, “the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit came upon him.” The Holy Spirit left Saul, so the Lord was no longer with him. This explains why, when Saul prayed, he received no answers from the Lord.
    Then in 1 Samuel 31, we see the ending of Saul, which didn’t go so well.

    “Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me. But his armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so Saul took his own sword and fell on it. 5 When the armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he too fell on his sword and died with him. So Saul and his three sons and his armor-bearer and all his men died together that same day.
    When the Israelites along the valley and those across the Jordan saw that the Israelite army had fled and that Saul and his sons had died, they abandoned their towns and fled. And the Philistines came and occupied them. The next day, when the Philistines came to strip the dead, they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gilboa.They cut off his head and stripped off his armor, and they sent messengers throughout the land of the Philistines to proclaim the news in the temple of their idols and among their people. 10 They put his armor in the temple of the Ashtoreths and fastened his body to the wall of Beth Shan.

    Thank you Bill for commenting!

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